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#280819 May 18th, 2009 at 06:32 PM
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just getting this ready to continue the story so we can all follow his progress.

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Thanks Jiffy!

Hopefully a new thread and a new beginning for a sweet kitty!


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boohoo Butterscotch is a very sick little boy. Apparently because he has had this condition for quite a while (unbeknownst to us), his bladder is now paralized. The vet has had to catheterize him twice a day, and he also is not happy being at the vet's.

We are to talk with the vet about the choices when she gets out of surgery - the options are to put him on medication which is 2 pills a day that might or might not help strengthen the muscles and make them work properly again, or to euthanize him. The pills could take a week or more to work, and he could totally block up again within 2 days. So we all need to decide if it is cost effective to either keep him at the vet for this week, or take him home and see what happens - assuming we CAN give him the pills. If he blocks up again, he will have to go back and be euthanized for sure. The woman from the organization that is helping us told us that in all her many many years of doing this, she has never had a cat with this situation, and that if he was a feral cat he would have been put down right away. But because he is such a sweetie, they wanted to try and give him a chance at a good life. These women are a god's send!!!

I don't want him to suffer, and the thought of him dying from a ruptured bladder makes me terribly sad. Of course on the other hand he is such a sweet kitty...

We have to wait for the vet to call back before we can move forward. I'm very glad that my husband took today off from work, so that I don't have to go through this alone.

Thanks for reading here - it helps me greatly too!


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OH MY Lynne--I wlll be praying for you all. Poor, Poor Kitty--- kissie


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Thanks so much Carol and Cindy!!! kissie

Cindy - he has been on Hill's prescription s/d for a week and a half now - ever since he went to the vet the first time. Apparently it didn't work...


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I didn't know you were a vet tech, cindy--it is good to know-----


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Thanks again, Cindy!

Here is what we have all decided to do... as the woman who is paying for all this suggested...

Keep Butterscotch at the vet for one more day, taking the catheter out and starting the medicine. If he pees on his own then we will take him home - if not, then we will have to euthanize him. We will know around 4:30 tomorrow afternoon. This way he won't suffer more than he has to, and we will hopefully know better about his condition.

It's hard being attached to these furbabies! I don't know how these women do what they do without falling apart. But again... we appreciate them more than words can say!


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I'm praying the meds work... prayers



I too am praying for that. kissie


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Thanks again, Cindy and Carol.

And yes, Cindy - we are very greatful that he found us when he was in need - I would hate to have found him outside like we found Slinky. At least he and we know he was loved.

And since we had to put our sweet Cookie down 8 years ago, we know how it works... doesn't make it any easier, but knowing what to expect is better this time around. It's also good that Butterscotch hasn't been in the main part of the house and mingling with the other cats as one of our own - his situation is separate and that is how I have to keep it in my mind. For now... with hopes that he will improve of course, but also understanding if not...

The woman keeps saying that in all her extensive experience she has never come across this - and it could be congenital too...


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And no matter what the outcome, you know in your heart and soul that you have helped this kitty so much...and given him love he would never have known.
He came to a good place when he found you, Lynne.


That is sooooooo true Lynne,, Hold on to that,, "given him love he would never have known." ,, You are his Angel,, kissie


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i'm sorry there wasn't better news.

i will say some prayers for butterscotch that the meds DO work and he is able to recover and go home...now that he HAS a home, that is. and, that home is thanks to you and your hubby - for caring enough to do something for this sweet lost soul. because of your thoughtfulness and kindness, butterscotch is lost no longer. he is loved and is being cared for (those ladies are angels) and has a loving warm home to go to once he's able.

i truly hope everything works out in the very best possible way!! i feel such an affinity for butterscotch - he looks just like my rusty and the personalities sound so very alike also.

sending prayers and tons of good healing vibes to you and butterscotch!


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Lynne,
I too Live in Rockland..I TOO :) have been adopted by a stray (pregnant)
kitty. I typed in low cost spaying on google and somehow landed on this site with your story of Butterscotch. I have read the whole story and am praying that this poor kitty will be ok. Thankfully he found you and your husband.
I have now joined the site..and just love all the info on gardening.
I also have black bear, coyote, turkeys, red foxes and Raccoons.wandering around in my yard..lol.Rockland County has quite the wildlife..I even hear there are PANTHERS down in Tallman state park.. Good Luck with Butterscotch.
Ill keep reading.

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Welcome DawnMarie! wavy I live VERY close to you - Montebello! We probably share the same animals - have you read my "Animal House" thread here in the critters forum? lol

I just remembered - a year ago in the fall, I took a drive up Torne Valley Road to take pictures of the pretty leaves turning color, and way up on the road by the end there was a male orange tabby that was so very friendly! He was a gorgeous shade of orange and even jumped into my car when I had left the door open to go out and pet him. He loved the attention, purring up a storm - and did not want to get out of the car!!! No collar - if we didn't already have 5 indoor cats here, I would have taken him home. But I didn't know if he belonged to someone and was just out for a stroll that day, and we really couldn't afford another cat. Have you ever seen him by any chance? I was worried about him being out in the elements during winter if he had been someone's house cat. I took pictures and posted them in this forum back then - don't remember the name of the thread though. I will try and look for it later when I have more time.

It's interesting that your search for low cost spaying brought you here to this post, but we're glad it did - you will meet some of the friendliest gardeners on the web here, with tons of great information and lots of fun thrown in too! :wink:

Thanks for your kind words Diane, Joclyn, and DawnMarie! kissie kissie kissie It really helps to know that others are with us in our journey to help Butterscotch. I am a bit nervous about finding out which way we will go later this afternoon nervous, but such is life unfortunately or fortunately. Let's hope it's the latter!

By the way DawnMarie - I have also been posting about Butterscotch on the cat forums that Keith kindly linked me to a few days ago. You might want to read there in your quest about the spaying. thumbup You can find the link in the first thread about Butterscotch here.


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OK! Butterscotch is back home for now! clap He did urinate last night at the vet's, though did not emtpy his bladder all the way, but the vet thought he would do ok here - at least hopes he will. And no one wanted to euthanize him just yet - mostly Don and I - we were dreading the late afternoon phonecall!!!

He will be on 3 pills once a day. Two for the bladder issue, and one for another problem that appeared today!!! Below the ear that he always had beaten up in fights, apparently was a large absess that the vet had to drain. She said it got infected, and he needs to be on an antibiotic for that as well - his immune system is just not good at all right now. Don also needs to put neosporin on it.

He was not happy when we opened the carrier in his room. He came out whining and only wanted out of that room. I think he has had enough of all this and just wants to go back outside and resume his former life - POOR BABY!!! kissie He took 2 licks of wet food and then sat behind the closed door. We left him in there for a few minutes, and then I went back in to sit in the chair, and to take a few pictures. He did come over to me for rubs, but at first gave me his infected ear side - EWWWWWW! He then turned so we got a nice rub in, until he had had enough for then.

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It really turns my stomach, but I will deal with it for him!

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that does look bad, Lynne--I am so glad he was back at the vets and she noticed it--
But ya know otherwise Butterscotch looks healthy- clap thumbup-
and I am sure he is happy---even if he wants out--he may think that the reason he does not feel good is that he is in a different place--as he gets better he will realize--he is already fond of you and Don otherwise he would not be showing the affection he does--even if it is in small increments


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i am so relieved and so happy that butterscotch is home!! that's very, very happy news!!

well, NO WONDER he was (and is still) being so crotchety!! not only the bladder issue, there's that nasty bit on his ear!! i wouldn't be surprised if the ear issue and the abcess and resulting infection is what is causing the bladder issues!! hopefully the antibiotics are strong and they, along with the neosporin, will clear that area up quickly!!

once he gets to the point where you can allow him into the rest of the house, he won't feel so cooped up and his attitude should get better. hey, maybe let him have some roaming time around the house? just so he can check things out - sometimes, satisfying the curiosity is all they need to calm down when in a new environment. start off with just allowing him to explore the one floor - and have the other kitties corraled somewhere so that he can explore in peace.


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I hadn't thought about the infection and his bladder, but he has had this bladder issue for a very long time the vet said. Interesting connection though.

As for wandering the house - there are no doors on the kitchen, and once he is out of the small room off the kitchen he's be able to go upstairs too. We can't let that happen until he is much better, and we also want to test for FIV and FLV 3 months after he was first brought to the vet, because they don't know if the animal who injured him is carrying it! I'd rather be safe than sorry, so we will tough it out in the small room. I've been spending lots of time in there with him - talking on the phone, or just resting in the chair. He seems to enjoy just sitting a bit behind and beside me. So that is fine for now. He's not interested in any toys I've tried to play with him - no toy mice, balls, or feathers on a string and stick. I think he's afraid of them actually.

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ahh, yes. diseases are an issue and he does have to be kept from the others until he's got the all-clear.

i was just trying to suggest something that would ease the stress for him a bit. although, in the long run, it's probably best to keep him really confined like that...hopefully it will cause him to fully adjust to being an indoor kitty. by that, i mean, hopefully he'll be so completely comfortable with being inside that he won't even want to go outside again.

i'm glad he's enjoying the time you're spending in the room with him!! as you continue to do that, he'll get to a point (soon, hopefully) where he'll even climb up on your lap!


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Thought I'd update on Butterscotch.

He's been doing well - he has even started playing a bit with the toy mouse in his room - it's fun to watch him because he's a bit clumsy with it. But he has made great strides since he's been back home and on medicine.

Here is the thing though... I spoke with Ilene about refilling his bladder meds - they only gave us 10 days worth because they weren't even sure he would make it that long, and she had told me that he needs to be on it at least a month to make sure it's working. She called the vet to refill the prescription, but the vet told her that if he was urinating at least 2 full streams each day, he didn't need the medicine anymore. Both Ilene and I are a bit uncomfortable with that, but the vet has the final say so that is what we will do.

We are to watch him carefully and call the vet as soon as we see something wrong. I'm so afraid that he will block up again, or his bladder will get paralyzed again. I hope this vet knows what she is doing - this is the same one who diagnosed our Roxie with a cold, when she actually had a broken foot as a kitten!!! I kept telling the vet she was limping - how do you get a "cold" from that description?!?


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OH MY, I am so sorry, Lynne---Poor Butterscotch--- kissie and just when he was feeling better too...I wll be thinking of him :wink:

I was sitting her laughing--not because such a thing was funny but because one assumes that with as much schooling as a vet must have, one would think they could see a difference there---so it was a rediculous thing to hear...


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Wasn't it Carol??? I was so upset with this vet - she just would not listen to me. Of course Don had to bring Roxie back there a few days later - I had gone to a casino with a friend for the weekend up in Connecticut, and I found out by phone that she did get her foot put in a soft cast by the other vet there - the one who owns the practice. So whenever I need to make an appt. for any of our cats I try to get him, but apparently the woman vet is the one who does most of the surgeries, because she did Olivers, and took care of Butterscotch when he needed it too.

Oh - she also broke our carrier - TWICE!!! She could not figure out how to get the door open - give me a break! It is a very common carrier, but she kept forcing the door open without turning the piece first. When she went to break it the 3rd time I stopped her, and that is when she offered me a much larger carrier that someone had left there in the office. I took it willingly, but still know that she isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, you know?


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OH MY goodness, Lynne--now I am scared for Butterscotch---but then again extremely intelligent people often have absolutely NO common sense---
so I wll try to keep reminding myself of that---


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Thanks Carol - that is what I have to do too - and hope that she knows what she is doing for his sake.


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Well I say we go with it---and I will pray.....a lot!!!!


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well, butterscotch MUST be feeling on-the-mend if he's actually playing!!! that is such wonderful news!!!!!

dunno about the '2 streams a day means no meds needed'.

although...

i can ask my vet when i talk to him tomorrow. why will i be talking to him? because i just had to bring rusty in because HE was blocked. the vet i saw tonight (never met her before and she didn't impress me...didn't want to answer any questions and grabbed him to take him in the back and didn't let me say goodbye...i had to move in front of her and then grab hold of him for her to stop moving tapfoot ).

she said it's probably crystals and infection - won't know for sure until tomorrow when the tests are run. they did an xray and no stones, so that's good. IF she really does know how to read them...i'll ask MY doc in the morning.

anyhoo, they got him unblocked and he's got the catheter in and will be getting iv fluids overnight. the catheter will be out tomorrow and if he doesn't block again, he should be home sunday.

i can see why you contacted those ladies. my vet has very reasonable prices...even with that, this is a VERY expensive treatment and i really hope he doesn't need any surgery on top of this stuff!!


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OMG Joclyn - I am so sorry that you are going through this too - I can actually say... I feel your pain!

How did you know he was blocked? Same symptoms as Butterscotch had?

I hope your regular vet has all the answers for you, and that Rusty feels much better soon!


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he threw up overnight...has been doing that kind of frequently lately and i just put it off to spring shed and gave him some vaseline and/or pumpkin a couple times. i was worried there was something more than that when i found a bit of elastic in one of the piles - that was about a month ago. and he's got this bizarre fascination with plastic - loves to lick bags and certain types of plastic he'll chew, so, that's always a concern. he was eating/going fine and acting normally, so, as time went on (after finding that bit of elastic - which i have no idea where he got it as it's not something i'd leave out...although, he knows how to get into drawers...), i stopped worrying.

this morning, he didn't climb up in my lap when i was having my tea (it's a daily thing he does) and he kept 'posturing' actually followed me around and kept doing it. when i saw him trying to go and nothing coming out, i knew he had some kind of blockage - his abdomen was really hard and a bit distended, too.

after doing a physical, the doc immediately said infection or crystals. the xray wouldn't show anything like the elastic - would need to do a barium xray to see that. it's possible his intestines are screwed up with that wrapped up/around. i'm hoping not because that would need surgery.

when i talk to my guy tomorrow, i'll discuss all the details of what's been happening and get his feedback from the exam he does...and, he's extremely thorough, too. really takes his time and gets a good feel of all the organs. she barely did anything other than feel his bladder...my guy will check the intestines, bladder, kidney, liver, pancreas, lymph nodes and check his heart/lungs, too, so, he'll get a better idea of what's going on inside.




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I'm so sorry for you and Rusty, Joclyn. kissie I do hope it's a quick fix and that he's feeling himself again soon. How old is he?

One of our cats, Amber, is forever chewing on plastic bags! uhuhh It makes me VERY nervous. nervous I try to keep them out of sight, but my kids don't remember. I'm afraid I'm going to come home one day and find that she choked on plastic. I wonder why some cats are fixated on that - she's the only one out of the 5.

Butterscotch was so enamored with Don's petting him this morning. luv Don sat on the floor and Butterscotch melted into "butter" with him petting everywhere! He is now gently reaching out to him with his paw when Don stops. And at one point, when he went to give a playful nip, and Don firmly said "NO", Butterscotch just layed his head down on Don's arm knowing he should not have done that and asking for forgiveness. thumbup luv It was so sweet to watch.

His ear is really crusty scabby from the abscess still, but hopefully that will heal soon. Don has not been putting the neosporin on it, because last week when he started to, Butterscotch was nipping him.

I look forward to hearing what your vet said about Rusty.


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awww!! i got a nice visual of butterscotch being petted by don and laying his head on don's arm!! that's so good that he's finally opening up to you!! i'm really happy that he's adjusting and it shows that your instincts were right on the mark when it comes to his personality!!

if the abcess was really deep, it'll take a bit to heal. don should keep up with the ointment so that it doesn't become re-infected, though. even if butterscotch starts getting nippy...maybe don could hold him while you put the ointment on...

there are no more indications of him being blocked up again, are there? i really hope that's done with so that he and you can get on with the business of really bonding with each other!!

rusty will be 5 in a month or so.

they didn't find any crystals in the urine - just excess protiens and some blood, so the doc thinks it's just a basic infection and more likely cystisis (due to the blood). it could still be a crystal issue, though, and they just didn't find any in the sample they took. he's leaning more towards cystisis.

and no real treatment for that - as in changing diet. one thing i never started with with rusty is canned food...don't know why as i always gave my other cat some every other day.

so, when he comes home, i'm to make sure he drinks enough water (which he does already, usually) and i'm to start giving canned regularly (extra fluids in it will help). and i'm to monitor to make sure he's going regularly...at the first sign of a problem i'll have to get him in to the vet again. although, with no crystals evident, that's not too likely to happen. i hope, anyhoo!

no mention made about giving the prescription diet. when i pick him up, i may grab a few cans of the stuff though. since being blocked does affect the digestive system the prescription stuff will be easier on it. while he's being treated with the antibiotics and healing up from whatever damage was caused by the back-up, it's probably a good idea to go to a bit blander and easier to digest diet.

i really don't know why i never got him on the routine with the canned stuff!! he gets it sometimes, just not every other day like i did with the other cat.

i did ask if the higher protien of the evo could be an issue and the vet said no. i was mixing it with one of the purina brands and stopped doing that right before christmas.

i think i'll go back to giving him a mix for dry. cats aren't obligate carnivores, like ferrets. this experience makes me think that they (cats) actually need some of the roughage, that's in the regular kibbles, in the diet! being on strictly meat with no filler stuff did make him all muscle and no fat, though, lol! with the change back to a mix, i hope he doesn't go back to being squishy grin





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Just adding thoughts and prayers for your fur babies.

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Thanks so much atokadawn.

Joclyn - I'm glad to hear that Rusty doesn't have crystals, and that hopefully it is just an infection that can be cured easily. You know so much about these animals and that is terrific for them. I'm sure they are getting the best care possible living with you.

Butterscotch had his last pills today. He eats the urinary tract ones readily in babyfood, but won't go near the antibiotic in the babyfood. It took all day the past 3 days for him to finish it - I had to keep adding a bit of the canned prescription food to it for him to even take a few licks. It would have been much easier if we could have "pilled him", but I certainly couldn't and Don didn't want to try after having been bitten.

So tomorrow starts day one without any medicine. I am a bit nervous about all that. But we will keep a close watch.

This morning, he was passing his little toy mouse under the door to Oliver and they played back and forth a little bit! It was sooooo cute! I love watching him "learn" to play. I keep wondering how he was as someone's kitten - he must have had a home somewhere to be craving so much attention and loving!


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i got a visual of the two passing the mouse back and forth - so cute!! i'm glad he's feeling better enough to be interacting with the other cats in the household!!!

how's he doing now that he's been off the meds for a bit?

thanks, so much, for the compliment...i do my best to gather all the info i can...with ferrets, you need to be on top of things as they're so specialized. haha, i ask so many questions, it's gotten my vet back into them more fully...and that's a plus, for sure! with rusty, it's not something i've dealt with previously. i was aware male cats can have issues, so i did research ahead of time. it always helps to be prepared and i usually look at it as 'if you have it you usually don't need it, so best get whatever together and then hope for the best' sometimes, the 'if you have it, you'll never need it' idea doesn't follow through right and you DO need the info...i'm glad i had it though, as i was able to help you, and your son, out a bit when dealing with this issue.

i'm hoping to hear you've allowed butterscotch a tour of the house!! he should be ready for that by now...and the other cats, too, should be more than ready to meet him!


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Thanks for the response, Joclyn!

Butterscotch is doing very well so far! Knock on wood!!!

He is eating, and peeing and pooping! lol
He just LOVES :ding: when Don sits on the floor with him after our dinner, and lays between his legs and melts into all the petting. I usually go into the room and sit on the chair and watch. Tonight he put his head and front paw on Don's leg as he pet him - it was just sooooooooooooo sweet!!!

He won't be allowed into the rest of the house until we can test him again for Feline leukemia and aids. They said we had to wait 3 months to see if the animal (cat) who attacked him was positive - it wouldn't show in his blood until then? He seems fine in the small room, although a bit lonely. I do go in as often as I can, and when Don sits with him, Butterscotch is so grateful! He just purrs and purrrrs and purrrrrrrrrs like a motor boat! grin

We keep looking at him behaving like this and wonder... did someone just dump him outside? madd Or did he run away? why We will never know, but we are glad he found us! luv


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Lynne I'm thrilled to read Butterscotch is doing soooo Much Better.
I'm sure he is very grateful and shows that by relaxing so much with Don petting him.
I'm glad he found your family too! grin


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LYnne--I am so glad to hear that Butterscotch is doing so well. I can just see him with Don and you there looking on in my minds eye--such a sweet scenrio.

I will anxiously await the day when he can have his tests again so he can be introduced to the other "kitties" in the famuly. It truely was a good day when he found your family. :wink:




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I will anxiously await the day when he can have his tests again so he can be introduced to the other "kitties" in the famuly.

That will be an exciting day for sure!


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thumbup lynne, thank you for the update, and i'm so glad it is positive. now, all we need is good test results so he can really be "one of the family"

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Thanks Diane, Carol and Jiffy!

Don made GREAT progress tonight. He sat in the chair in Butterscotch's room and picked him up and put him in his lap for the first time. Butterscotch settled into it right away and went to sleep.
Just a-purrrrrrrrrrrrrrring as loudly as can be!!!

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Butterscotch still has that black "studs tail" stuff on the top of his tail as you can see in the pictures. It's hardened into the fur and we don't want to try to clean it just yet. He's just getting to really trust Don, and is sensitive when he's touched there.


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Lynne--such good pictures---it is nice to finally 'see' your Don too.

Butterscotch looks so content and peaceful. and his fur looks so healthy--well except for that black mark on his tale.--He is sure 1 lucky "kitty".

and I have to ask: Is his fur turning to a tanish instead of a golden?/ or was your camera taking 'liberties'??


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clap clap Now that's what it's all about right there,, Security, comfort,, happy! grin Great Pictures Lynne~


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aaawwwww!!! what fabulous pics!!! he looks completely at ease and at home - very good to see!!


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Tomorrow is the day!!!
We are taking Butterscotch to get his retest for feline leukemia and aides, and as long as both are negative he can come out of the small room he's been in since the middle of May!!! clap thumbup

He has become so affectionate, and just craves attention. We can now pick him up and hold him standing, though he still doesn't know what to do with his limbs when we sit in the chair holding him in our laps. He is the most uncoordinated cat I've ever met. And I truly believe he has a fear of heights! shock He has never jumped up onto the low dresser that is in the room, nor would he jump down from it when Brian placed him on top today.

I am going to ask the vet about that tomorrow when Butterscotch gets his blood tested. I also want him to be weighed - I think he's gained the 5 lbs. that poor Oliver has lost! He feels and looks so much heavier than when we first brought him inside, which is understandable since he no longer runs all over the place outside, and was confined to the small room.

Please keep your fingers crossed for us that the tests come out negative tomorrow? Thanks! kissie


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I just KNEW Butterscotch would become a loving friendly kitty!! I am so glad to hear such good news of his progress....OG course I will keep him in my prayers, and I will be waiting to hear the outcome of the test results.... nervous :wink:


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i had no doubts, either, about the potential for him to turn out to be a loving and affectionate member of your family!!

it's so good to hear it's time for re-testing AND that he's gained some weight!

good luck with the tests!!! let us know how what the results are!!


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thumbup lynne, that is awesome. i'm so happy for you and pray the tests come out right!

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Originally Posted by Joclyn
i had no doubts, either, about the potential for him to turn out to be a loving and affectionate member of your family!!

it's so good to hear it's time for re-testing AND that he's gained some weight!

good luck with the tests!!! let us know how what the results are!!


Lynne,, your family has done well with him,, slow and sure he's gotten used to it all,, and will continue to get used to everything grin I too am anxious to know the results of the test,


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Originally Posted by JunieGirl
....Of course I will keep him in my prayers, and I will be waiting to hear the outcome of the test results.... nervous :wink:


waiting "patiently" ?.......... :wink:


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boohoo boohoo boohoo boohoo boohoo boohoo boohoo boohoo


He is FIV positive. boohoo


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OMG!! I am so sory---so what is next, says the girl who is really scared to ask????


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Thanks Carol.


We need to find him a good home. The vet said that most often it is spread by body fluids but mostly by blood, and that is how he got it - from the @$#%$ cat who chewed him up outside. He tested negative when he first went to the vet 3 months ago.

The woman who has been helping us by paying his vet bills was adament once again on the phone about how we can keep him even if he is FIV positive. That it can ONLY be spread by blood - that is not necessarily true, though is the most common way. HOWEVER... the vet (who knows this woman well!) said we should NOT keep him with our other cats. Especially since he is another large MALE cat in the house, with claws. As it is, our cats fight with each other on a daily basis since Brian came home with his 2 with claws.

The bigger problem is that Butterscotch also has the other problems - the paralyzed bladder issue and the urinary tract blockage, and is on prescription food. The FIV in itself is not an issue for someone who would have only 1 cat, or already has a cat that is FIV positive. They can live out normal life spans with it. But finding someone who would take him with these other issues, and the fact that he needs prescription food is the real issue here. The woman told me on the phone yesterday that it would take "MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS to possibly find someone to take him" and how we would have to keep him!!!

Brian said he's pretty sure we could find someone through Craig's list or Petfinders, but that makes me very nervous. I have grown so very attached to him that I cried at the vet's when he told Don and me. Good thing Don was there also. The vet was very understanding - even rubbed my arm out of sympathy. boohoo

I have to call a friend of mine - she already has an FIV positive cat, but said that she would never take another cat in. I think she actually might have taken Butterscotch IF he didn't have other special needs. Right now she is in Florida on vacation, so I will have to either text her, or wait til she gets home.

And so he is back in his small room, but wants out, since he got a taste of being outside once again - even if it was in a carrier. He is crying at the door to get out! boohoo

I SOOOOOOOOOOOO thought that everything would be great! tears


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I am sorry, Lynne.


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Oh Lynne I'm so sorry, I know how greatly disappointed you are.
Praying He will be adopted to a caring family like he has with yours. kissie


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OH MY goodness I am so sorry--I will hope that your friend can either help or will know of someone that can help. kissie


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Thanks so much everyone! kissie

If you don't mind, I am going to use the space here to collect my research and thoughts. I did a bit of googling FIV this afternoon and found this information which surprises me, as my vet got his degree from Cornell Vet School!

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Positive results

Because few, if any, cats ever eliminate infection, the presence of antibody indicates that a cat is infected with FIV. This test can be performed by most veterinary diagnostic laboratories and also is available in kit form for use in veterinary clinics. Since false-positive results may occur, veterinarians recommend that positive results be confirmed using a test with a different format.


He did NOT mention this to us, nor did he recommend testing him in any other fashion.

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False positives occur when the cat carries the antibody (which is harmless), but does not carry the actual virus.


The thing about that statement is that he did test negative when they first brought him in 3 months ago, so then do we surmise that he is indeed positive since he now tests positive? why

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The initial test was the ELISA, which tests both for FIV antibodies and FeLV. Since there can be false positives with the ELISA test, an initial positive for FIV is followed up by a laboratory test, such as the Western Blot test, which confirms that antibodies to FIV are present in the blood.



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It is a good idea to confirm a positive feline immunodeficiency virus test if it was done using an ELISA test kit at the veterinarian's office. The Western blot test is a good second test to help confirm that FIV is actually present since it tests for several of the virus' antigens rather than just one. If this test is positive, as well, then it is reasonable to assume that infection is present.



I could go on and on with research but they all seem to say the same thing. So now I will have to call tomorrow (if they are even open on Sunday) and find out which test he did, and if he can do a Western Blot test if that is not the one he did today. I just couldn't let it rest, you know? I am too attached to him already.


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Great researching. I agree from what you have here that a second test is a good idea. Too many false positives.


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exactly----I have been doing a LOT OF READING lately about false positives in tests in general---I say do not let it die here
definatley push--and I think that any Dr should be willing to do a second test


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Sorry to hear about all the troubles, Lynne. I would push for that other test too, just to make sure. You've been so good to this cat, I applaud you for that, it's not something I could do. I'm hoping for some good news.


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MOST DEFINITELY get a second test done!!!!

did you find this site? aafp (american assoc of feline practitioners) ? some good info there - and a little worksheet for recording symptoms (if any) being presented.

i DO so hope that this was a false positive!!!!! it would be tragic for him to have to go somewhere else. he so clearly picked you - which is such a huge compliment from a feral cat - i just can't think about him not staying with you!




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Sorry to hear of Butterscotch.....Thats the one I wanted to hook from you.

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Thanks so much everyone once again for all your support! kissie

And thank you, Joclyn for that link - it pretty much said what all the other sites have said as well. thumbup

The vet was not open today, so I will make that call tomorrow morning for sure. In the meantime it's hard for me not to tear up tears everytime I go into Butterscotch's room to spend time with him. This morning while I was sitting in the chair in there and talking with him and petting him - he does answer back every time with the most unusual sounds coming out of a cat haha - very gutteral - anyway, he put his front paw gently on top of my bare foot as if to say... "STAY with me!" luv boohoo At that moment I just wanted to keep him in that room forever. But I know that wouldn't be fair to him, to keep him caged in there for the rest of his life. I guess time will tell what is going to happen to him now. why


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Originally Posted by plants 'n pots


it's hard for me not to tear up tears everytime I go into Butterscotch's room to spend time with him. This morning while I was sitting in the chair in there and talking with him and petting him - he does answer back every time with the most unusual sounds coming out of a cat haha - very gutteral - anyway, he put his front paw gently on top of my bare foot as if to say... "STAY with me!" luv boohoo At that moment I just wanted to keep him in that room forever. But I know that wouldn't be fair to him,


Lynne, this made me teary eyed to read this. tears
Animals, once they have learned to trust us, they love us unconditionally. He knows how you feel,, :ding: and I know if he could say it he would thank you over and over again. He reaching out placing his paw on your foot says it all :ding:
On behalf of Butterscotch and all of us cat&animal lovers out here we thank you for all you have done for Butterscotch and all that will be done to secure his future in a loving home. You're the Kitty Rescue Hero of the year in My book kissie


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[quote=angelblossom] You're the Kitty Rescue Hero of the year in My book kissie [quote]

A BIG second on that one!

best of luck getting that second test. poor butterscotch has been through SO much, now this. I don't even like cats and I have followed butterschotch's story from the beginning. you have been great to him. and he is a little trooper. I'm hoping and praying things will work out.


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Lynne I have just finished reading what Diane & Cricket have said. I only wish I were as good with words as they are. However since I am not, I feel I can at least agree completely with their sentiments.--well except that I DO like cats.

Butterscotch is a real sweetie, and so are you.

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OK you guys... now the tears are just pouring onto the floor after reading all you've written here. tears kissie Thanks so much again for being a constant support in our journey with Butterscotch. I wish he could know how many fans he has here, and I wish you all could spend some time with him personally - I do tell him all about you all, you know! thumbup


Diane - that graphic is PURRRRRRFECT!!! cat
Of course it made me cry harder, but that was a good cry! Thank you! kissie

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I'm sure in some way butterscotch DOES know how many fans he has. and how many people you have shared his story with. animals can feel emotions. call me a crazy quack if you'd like, but I know this to be true.
when I am anxious or nervous my savannah follows me around the house like a shadow. If I get into bed sad/depressed that dog is up there snuggling by my side. and that is the ONLY time that dog will sleep with anyone in this entire house. I don't see that behavior in the other two dogs, but that doesn't mean they don't sense it. and when you were talking about b.s. putting his paw on your foot....well, that's an animal that senses what you feel and is responding to it.
OK.......enough of that! now, I"m getting teary! and I DON"T like cats!

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Thanks Cricket. kissie

It seems I am now between a rock and a hard place. I called the vet to find out about doing the Western Blot test, and the receptionist said I had to deal with the woman of the organization who has been helping us. I only wanted to know the price of the test - the receptionist said she didn't see it on her list, and repeated to speak with the other woman. When I told her that she wasn't covering him anymore, she just repeated to speak with her.

I called the woman, told her that Butterscotch was FIV positive and she was very happy that he was not FeLV positive and that he would be fine here with the other cats. I told her NO!... that the vet said he should NOT be put with the rest of our cats. She got upset and said Butterscotch most certainly could - that the vet WOULD say that. When I was able to get a word in, I asked her to simply find out how much the test would be, to see if we could cover that. She is supposed to call me back. Still waiting...

So I am stuck between these 2 disagreeing people who are supposed to be taking care of this sweet kitty. The vet is correct though, Don and I believe!


In the meantime, I called another vet's office to see if they could do the test and how much it would be - if we need to go elsewhere. Some friends of ours use them and are very happy with them. They gave me the price right away, but also said that perhaps all the other cats could be vaccinated for it. We do not do those vaccines anymore because our first cat, Cookie, died from bone marrow cancer and we are convinced it was from her vaccine. BUT... they could give just the FIV - not the FeLV that we believe caused the cancer. However, this receptionist put me on hold for a long time and spoke with the 2 vets there, and asked me more questions about all of our cats - they are going to brainstorm to see what the best action would be for all involved.

I spent more valuable time with this person on the phone discussing it all, than I did with our own vet, who is also the vet for the organization that is helping us. The fact that he and the woman from the organization are on 2 completely different pages does not help us! But in the end... we have to do what is best for the 5 cats we already had when Butterscotch found us.

I am so saddened by all this. I keep going into his room and spending time with him, petting him, talking to him, and doing much crying in there as well. Poor baby did not ask for any of this - it's so unfair!!! tears


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Pictures of the sweetie this morning...

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He is lovable. I am sorry you are going through all of this. But you are doing it all well.


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Beautiful Pictures of Him Lynne luv


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tina said it best. fingers crossed and prayers still going.

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Originally Posted by plants 'n pots
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This Picture ~ I just want to reach in and pet him grin


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Thanks again, all.

Well today has brought some good news. The woman called me back from the organization a little while ago. She found out the price for the Western Blot test, and now I need to talk with Don about whether it is in our budget right now - he's away for the day.

BUT... she was MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer today kissie, and said she would do everything she could to adopt him out to a loving home!!! clap What a change from the past few conversations about how we have to keep him and how he's not adoptable!!! She told me to send her associate some pictures - told her I got some good ones this morning, and to write up a little something about his personality - easily done! She will advertise him on Craig's list and put up posters, and even take him to PetSmart on their adoption days, in a couple of weeks IF we want her to do that.

WOW - what a change in attitude!!! I will talk to Don and see how we will proceed now. She and I even discussed how he will ONLY go to someone who clearly shows affection for him, and that she would go with me to drop him off at his new home if I want, so she can approve it. Again... WOW!

So even though I am so very sad about having to lose him tears, at least she is on our side right now - YEA! thumbup


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That is good news, Lynne. He deserves a good home.


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Lynne I'm soooooo glad there is a positive aspect on things, #1 for Butterscotch #2 it lightens the heaviness in your heart for Butterscotch.


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fantastic pictures of Butterscotch, Lynne.


I am so glad that you are finally getting the people at that organization to respond in an positive manner where both you and Butterscotch are concerned.

I am so hoping that this journey finally ends in a happy place for all of you. kissie


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Originally Posted by JunieGirl

I am so hoping that this journey finally ends in a happy place for all of you. kissie



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Sorry - no updates yet because we were busy getting Amy packed up and back to college yesterday. I will have to make some calls this week and then see how we proceed - thanks for asking.


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"Sorry mom, but I just didn't like the way that blue thing felt on my paw!!!" rspb

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[color:#996633] [font:Century Gothic] [size:11pt]Butterscotch is still with us, living in that small room all by himself. Well, that is... when one of us humans isn't in there visiting with him. We try to go in as often as we can luv, but he whines and talks to us all the time while we are in the kitchen. nooo

Had to take him to the vet today, as he was clicking loudly on the floor with his right front paw - good thing we did - he had a badly ingrown toenail nervous. The vet cut it all out, and put some antibiotic ointment on it, with a gauze bandage on top.

The MINUTE we left him alone in his room upon returning, he had ripped it off! tapfoot Faster than one could blink! rolz Called the vet because it was bleeding, and she said it would be ok - just to keep an eye on it, and give him the antibiotic drops as prescribed. He gets amoxicillan - just like people - only thing is... both my son and I are allergic to it! No problem giving it to him though. thumbup


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Look at the innocent look on his face. ~I didn't do it lol


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Originally Posted by tamara
Look at the innocent look on his face. ~I didn't do it lol


lol just what I was thinking.......
aw Lynne--I bet some "other" being came in BS's room & ripped that bandage off. poor sweet Butterscotch...... kissie


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Yep - poor sweet Butterscotch! By the way... he weighs 14.1 lbs., so fortunately being FIV+ hasn't affected him just yet thankfully! The vet even remarked several times what a sweetheart he is - never fought her at all while she was cutting away at his nail!


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Well of course he is a sweetheart.


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