A Gardeners Forum Forums General Discussion The Plants and Flowers Forum Mystery Plants? ...so whats this again?ID please

I've had this ID'd before.But guess did not make it onto a photo.

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And this one too. Its in SIL Debras yard.

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Just a couple of questions . . .
In the first photo, is this plant a vine?
And, are the flowers white or blue?

It reminds me of a star jasmine that I have,
but the flowers in your photo are looking blue
on my 'puter screen.

The second photo is a bit hard for me to make out,
but the first two things that occur to me
are Plumbago and Duranta erecta.

Hmm, more questions than answers -
not much help . . . am I?

I have plumbago.Thats not it.Its not a vine.The 1st looks similiar to my blue sage.yep flowers are a light blueish color,about the same color on both plants.butterflys like the 2nd one.I never bothered to add the name to older photo& couldn't find it in archives on here.

2nd looks like an aster